Can we combine the junto scoring rubric and buddying up for reviews?

saintsal

@vivek andI talked about this in the final “hot potato” game to get to the final mempool shape.

The idea was Learn Juntos also serve to allow applicants to get in without buddying up (another point of ingress, so a good thing for x/n, right?)

One weirdness is that there are then no Learn juntos where applicant rating doesn’t happen. @cryptowanderer how does that feel?

Two ways I can think of to deal with that:

we don’t rate during learn juntos, but other interactions (learn juntos are sacred)
we lower the points earnable in learn juntos and make it optional to rate an applicant, so you’d only get in without a buddy after many learn juntos of great behaviour.

This is what I modeled below:

@aliyajypsy I’ll hand over this excalidraw for you. I started it to compare shapes, so now, if it’s useful for you, it’s yours.

https://app.excalidraw.com/l/9SphoQKY1iv/95EjDfwrfsI

cryptowanderer

@saintsal said in Can we combine the junto scoring rubric and buddying up for reviews?:

allow applicants to get in without buddying up (another point of ingress, so a good thing for x/n, right?)

Allowing applicants in without buddies means that we need some contrived mechanism - managed by some small group, or programmed by someone and then rarely changed - which is antithetical to this design. Without a buddy, stewards are on the hook for orientation again: a doubly negative outcome in the context of this design.

I would not like to run any Learn juntos where there are ratings or rankings of any kind. That is not the kind of educational environment I’d like to host.

aliyajypsy

@saintsal thank you!! working on it!

saintsal

@cryptowanderer said in Can we combine the junto scoring rubric and buddying up for reviews?:

I would not like to run any Learn juntos where there are ratings or rankings of any kind.

This is understandable - it changes the vibe to have ratings involved. Specifically, I’d say it adds stress and distraction. This could work with Remix Juntos since we can first run normal juntos focused on good practice and internalising through dialog, but having constant cross-evaluation without a break is very different quality of space.

This leaves the Mempool events for this type of cross-evaluation, but then the rubric doesn’t quite apply.

It’s possible we use it during the unconference, and just share scores openly for current fellows to see, and still rely on buddying up as the only way to get in. But I’m not sure the scoring would add much compared to asking current fellows to consider buddying up anyone new they meet at the unconferences.

@cryptowanderer said in Can we combine the junto scoring rubric and buddying up for reviews?:

Without a buddy, stewards are on the hook for orientation again:

This issue also comes up with onboarding, which assumes the endorsing fellow will come.

I suggest we park this here, and return to it if we need it. For now, we try Buddying Up only. If buddying up doesn’t click, we come back to look at this again, and see where a good place for this scoring mechansim might work: either unconferences, or separate Remix Juntos.

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cryptowanderer

One more note for now:

@saintsal said in Can we combine the junto scoring rubric and buddying up for reviews?:

which assumes the endorsing fellow will come

This is true, and we can always penalise endorsing fellows who don’t fulfill their role (in the sense of helping their buddy get up and running through Kernel on their own) by taking away their invite for the 3-6 months, or removing them from the #mempool-defence channel. This seems like a more powerful cultural lever to me than an arbitrary scoring process on the way in.

Interestingly, even if they don’t do much mentoring, there is still the chance that their buddy gets going under their own steam - a true Kernel fellow indeed and we get them without even requiring a lot more than a warm invite from the og fellow…

Or, it may be that their buddy doesn’t engage even with high quality mentorship, in which case a targeted intervention and chat with them will likely surface ways we can help buddies in general and continue to get better in that domain.